09.07. Challanges - decided and finished


“The community has spoken.”

The Corrupt Side of the Foam Community

Ya the Big stake holder :smiley: Tryed to push me in a Big challenge before.

Very poor, but i saw that coming and i take this Group Action Sporty.
But there will come more. Don’t worry


My friend this statement just shows me the degree of your Intelect.
This commentary puts me back in the Spanish Inquisition.
Examining information and adding new information is what makes planes fly and your computer run.
Every challenge I have made is based on plausible facts. You and your friends are hurting this project massively.

But as a flood of information can also help to uncover corrupt and greedy members of a community, I’ll show you soon.


Let me guess, this is you: :smile:
Voting against a wrong housenumber on 50 Foam:

But voting for missing and wrong housenumbers :smiley: :D, this realy fits good to you!!

So funny


That’s not me.

IMO, this is yet another sign that the TCR is the most dubious part of this project. I hope that Ryan and the team are spending all their efforts on dPOL.


This is nothing agianst what is comming soon.
This is a playground of adicted people with money.
I will ad a Post, maybe in the evening.

Then i will show u what in real is what u called the comunity yesterday.
And when u see how people act maybe than u can see somehow the worth of my work, maybe…


The TCR is an immense burden for something that can be done in a centralized way dirt cheap. In the meantime, all we have of dPOL is one demo, almost a year later.


Can you explain how the website address confirms the original POI address? I am seeing the opposite, saying it should be supplemented with building number 25-

This is the only map that is completely open and provides incentives for curation. It’s also the only map that links points in space to Ethereum accounts to make points interoperable with the blockchain.

What makes you think dPoL is so easy? If you are already impatient, you’ve got awhile more to wait. Once the code is ready, thousands of people are going to have to set up and maintain beacons.


You’re right. I don’t think it’s easy and I’m not really impatient, though yes I looked impatient as I tried to make a point. I do think the TCR is largely a distraction–that’s the important point I’m trying to make.

All that is really needed is a way to write lats and longs to the blockchain. Everything else seems like a waste of time to me. At some point, centralized solutions are okay.

It’s fine that you don’t agree with me and that you think I’m obnoxious. I really don’t care. What is true is that the incentives are currently not working. Right now, the TCR process does not select for truth.


Creating an encoding standard is relatively easy compared to the human work that needs to go into verifying that lat/long positions are actually specific addresses…

We’ve seen this issue a bunch of times on the map already, where mapbox’s auto-population of addresses based on lat/long is incorrect, and the point has to be fixed.

Given this, I’d say it does select for truth.


Huh? If you’re going to post, at least write something that makes sense. Someone just voted valid (and won) not because ‘valid’ was true, but rather because valid was profitable. These are the current incentives. Feel free to pretend otherwise, but the evidence is right in front of you.

Also the issue you’re identifying is an issue that Mapbox has in translating lats/longs. It’s particular to that application and totally beside the point I was making. There is no database issue in translating lats and longs to something that blockchain can store. You’re confusing a UI issue with a DB one.


Given what I had said here above that…

…it does select for truth. Most of when it doesn’t select for truth is when it receives malicious shocks, but it eventually recovers and the malicious challenger/voter loses. Not going to go back through my entire post here on why I believe that’s the wrong tactic to push fixes.

My point is that there is value in a TCR, in that it encourages curation of an open map. Other open maps don’t have explicit financial incentives. How can you argue for profiteering on the map, but then argue against there being any reason in having a map that has financial incentives. Are you really just advocating robbery?


I’m saying that TCRs are a tough sell. The Kleros one is being gamed, and so is this one. I’m not arguing for profiteering. I’m just noting that profit and truth aren’t the same thing, and making them align is very very difficult.

You can’t just assert that it ‘does select for truth.’ You need to provide evidence. You showing me that the challenges were legit (and yet lost) is arguing my case for me.

I’m also claiming that the truly innovative part of Foam is POL, and that it can work very well without named points. All the people in this forum are focused on the map, but POL is the secret sauce.

Theoretically, sure there is value there in the TCR, but when the centralized solutions work so well (and they really do work well–billions of people use them to navigate each and every day), why try to reinvent the wheel when POL is actually new and requires a ton of its own energy? It makes no sense given limited budgets and team size.


I thank the voters for their honest participation.
As soon as my voting credit is unlocked I will renew the POIs.


In the meantime, all we have of dPOL is one demo, almost a year later.

It is never going to work, which is why a year later they have nothing to show. The FOAM team is spending their time creating fancy sidechain implementations using exotic programming languages, but there is no chance in this world that a ground based network of base stations will be able to achieve any location accuracy.


Would be great if you could share a new post with more explanations on what you think the limits of dPOL are. It would be more interesting and effective to have a focused discussion on dPOL developments and challenges.


It’s not really worth it, as Ryan will reply with a 2 page long post linking to 10 prior articles. The proof is in the pudding.

But more importantly is anyone actually working on commercial adoption of any of this technology? Is there a problem being solved? It is not clear to me that anyone believes that using GPS is a problem.


POIs are renewed.
Thank you for your participation.


I do think there are applications, but the silence from team members or leaders in these threads with respect to questions about the tcr, pol progress, and failures in community building is deafening and disheartening. Should we really have to prompt you to participate, @Ryan_foam, @Daryl_Foam?


Wrong discussion
Challenges ended.
Poi’s are renewed.